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David Stockman: NATO Was Never About American Security

By David Stockman, Antiwar.com, 1/27/25

This is the third part of a four-part article.   Read part one here. Read part two here.

The evidence from the Soviet archives shows that Stalin’s policy during the 1947 pivot to Cold War was largely defensive and reactive. But even that departure from the cooperative modus operandi of the wartime alliance arose from what might well be described as an unforced error in Washington.

We are referring to the latter’s badly misplaced fears that deteriorating economic conditions in Western Europe could lead to communists coming to power in France, Italy and elsewhere. The truth of the matter, however, is that even the worst case – a communist France (or Italy or Belgium) – was not a serious military threat to America’s homeland security.

As we pointed out in Part 2, the post-war Soviet economy was a shambles. Its military had been bled and exhausted by its death struggle with the Wehrmacht and its Navy, which embodied but a tiny fraction of the US Navy’s fire-power, had no ability whatsoever to successfully transport an invasionary force across the Atlantic. Even had it allied with a “communist” France, for example, the military threat to the American homeland just wasn’t there.

To be sure, communist governments in Western Europe would have been a misfortune for electorates who might have stupidly put them in power. But that would have been their domestic governance problem, not a mortal threat to liberty and security on America’s side of the Atlantic moat.

Nevertheless, Washington’s gratuitous antidote for what was essentially an internal political problem in western Europe was a sweeping course of economic and military interventions in European affairs. These initiatives—aid to Greece and Turkey, the Marshall Plan and then NATO—were clinically described as “containment”  measures by their authors, who averred that they were designed only to keep the Soviet Union in its lane, and were not a prelude to intervention in eastern Europe or to an attack on Moscow itself.

But if you examine a thousand random documents from the archives of the Soviet foreign ministry, top communist party echelons and correspondence to and from Stalin himself it is readily apparent that these initiatives were viewed in Moscow as anything but a polite message to stay in lane. To the contrary, they were seen on the Soviet side as a definitely unfriendly scheme of encirclement and an incipient assault on the Soviet sphere of influence in eastern Europe, or the cordon sanitaire, that Stalin believed he had won at Yalta.

To be sure, writing off this string of what came to be called “captive nations” from Stettin (Poland) on the Baltic to Trieste on the Adriatic amounted to an embrace of realpolitik that would have made moralists and anti-communist ideologues uneasy in the extreme. But as it happened, abandonment of Eastern Europe per the Yalta zones of influence scheme was exactly what became Washington’s de facto policy until the very end of the Cold War in 1991, anyway.

That is to say, the uprisings against the Soviet hegemon in Hungary in 1956, Czechoslovakia in 1968 and Poland in 1981 generated no response from the West beyond empty speeches and hortatory resolutions from western parliaments. The whole policy of “containment”, therefore, was actually just a large-scale and sustained effort by Washington to steer European politics away from the communist Left. Likewise, NATO was essentially an instrument of political control on the European side of the Atlantic, not a military shield that added any incremental security for the citizens domiciled on the North American side of the pond.

So the question recurs as to exactly why was America’s fully warranted post-war demobilization reversed. Why did Washington plunge instead into deeply entangling alliances in western Europe and unnecessary confrontation and overt conflict with Soviet Russia for no good reason of homeland military security?

Part of the answer is embedded in the prevalent Keynesian theorem at the time which held that post-war demobilization would result in a collapse of so-called “aggregate demand” and a resulting spiral into depression. So unless countered with aggressive counter-cyclical fiscal stabilization measures, it would be the 1930s all over again.

However, most of Europe was fiscally incapacitated owing to the impacts of the war. The economic aid proffered by Washington through the Marshall plan, therefore, amounted to a substitute form of fiscal stabilization and safeguard against a relapse into 1930s-style depression.

Needless to say, the hive mind on the Potomac had it all wrong, and the evidence was right in its own backyard. During the very first year of demobilization (1946), in fact, the US private sector economy came bounding out of the starting gates after being freed from wartime controls. Real private GDP grew by nearly 27% from 1945 and never looked back.

What in 1945 had been a private sector GDP of $1.55 trillion in today’s dollars had jumped to nearly $2.0 trillion by 1947 and to more than $2.3 trillion by 1950. Thus, even as the US was making the turn from a war economy to the booming prosperity of the 1950s, the private GDP growth rate clocked in at 7.6% per annum over the five-year period. So the American economy never came close to tumbling into the Keynesian abyss.

To be sure, the overall GDP accounts said otherwise because they simply weren’t designed for a full-on war economy. That is to say, by the reckoning of the Keynesian-designed NIPA accounts government sector GDP in 1945 had clocked in at $2.3 trillion in today’s dollars and accounted for 75% of total GDP. Thereafter, of course, the government sector GDP numbers tumbled rapidly downhill as demobilization proceeded apace, dropping by nearly 70% to $750 billion by 1948 and about 26% of GDP.

Of course, the bloated 1945 government sector GDP figures were mostly for items which got accounted in the NIPA tables as “investment” in ships, plans, tanks, artillery and machine guns – none of which had a market price or much peacetime consumer utility. Accordingly, the overall GDP numbers were a case of wholly incompatible cats and dogs, which did not even fully normalize until after 1950.

Still, when you peeled back the Keynesian accounting chimera the American economy in the late 1940s was actually blooming with good health. And there was no reason to believe that the European economies would not have similarly turned the corner to civilian prosperity in due course.

Indeed, that the prevailing Keynesian theorem was just plain wrong was well illustrated by the contemporaneous economic rebound in the western zone of Germany. The latter’s economy took off well before the Marshall Plan aid made any substantial impact owing to Ludwig Erhard’s famous turn to currency reform and free market policies.

In short, Washington’s “containment” policies were unnecessary as a matter of America’s homeland security – the only valid basis for the foreign policy of peaceful Republic. Yet based on fuzzy thinking about economics and the taste for international power politics that had been acquired by Washington’s ruling class and military contractors during WWII the US stumbled into the very entangling alliances that Washington and Jefferson had forsworn. These European foundations, in turn, surely and inexorably formed the gateway to Empire and the fiscally crushing Warfare State that now plagues the nation.

The Soviet archives also make clear that the Soviet Union never had a plan to militarily conquer western Europe. In effect, the absolute absence of such offensive military plans amounts to the Cold War Dog which didn’t bark.

To the contrary, the Soviet leadership viewed themselves as relatively vulnerable and were well aware that their country was much weaker in industrial and military capability than the United States. Accordingly, their prime concern was consolidating the territory and security gains in Eastern Europe which the USSR had won in with blood and treasure in the war against Hitler.

In fact, during the early post-war period Stalin himself had constantly changed his mind even about the politics of western Europe, tacking inconsistently to and fro about the role communist parties should play in their respective countries. Even then, he had still pursued a variant of detente with the Western Powers, hoping to reach a negotiated settlement on most areas of difference, especially on the question of Germany’s future.

Indeed, for several weeks after Secretary Marshall’s June 5, 1947 speech at Harvard, the archives show that Soviet leaders hoped it might prove to be a source of capital for the reconstruction of the war-damaged USSR. As the details of the American plan unfolded, however, the Soviet leadership slowly came to view it as an attempt to use economic aid not only to consolidate a Western European bloc, but also to undermine recently-won, and still somewhat tenuous, Soviet gains in Eastern Europe.

They feared that the U.S. economic aid program might attempt to target Stalin’s new chain of Soviet-oriented buffer states for reintegration into the capitalist economic system of the West. Thus the Marshall Plan, conceived by U.S. policy-makers primarily as a defensive measure to stave off economic collapse in Western Europe, proved indistinguishable to the Kremlin leadership from an offensive attempt to subvert Soviet security interests.

At length, therefore, Stalin ordered Poland and Czechoslovakia to withdraw from planning meetings in late July that involved discussions with the west about joining the Marshall Plan—discussions he had initially blessed. Thereafter, all Soviet bloc participation in the Marshall Plan ceased and Stalin’s calculus shifted sharply from accommodation and towards a strategy of confrontational unilateral action to secure Soviet interests.

Yet even then, the archival documentation shows that in making this shift, the Soviet leadership was moved primarily by fear of its own vulnerability to American economic power, not by a plan of world conquest which became the ultimate justification for the post-war American Empire.

Nor were the Kremlin’s fears entirely an exercise in Stalin-style paranoia. As Scott D. Parrish, a leading scholar of the Soviet archives, concluded,

The Marshall Plan does appear to have been largely a defensive move on the part of the United States, as the orthodox scholars would have us believe. But the story hardly ends there. The plan had its “offensive” side as well, in that its authors did indeed hope to lure some of the Eastern European states out of the Soviet orbit and integrate them into the Western European economy.

In this sense, the revisionists were correct to focus on the economic motivations behind behind the plan, which was more than just a geostrategic move to counter Soviet expansionism. As for the Soviet response, as the new documentation suggests, it was indeed largely defensive and reactive, even if it often relied upon crude offensive tactics. What the new documentation helps us see more clearly, then, is that the real difficulty and source of conflict in 1947 was neither Soviet nor American “aggression.” Rather, it lay in the unstable international economic and political conditions in key European countries which led both sides to believe that the current status quo was unstable, and that assertive action was required to defend that status quo.

It was in this environment that the Western powers felt compelled to design the details of the Marshall Plan in such a way that it would stabilize Western Europe, but only at the cost of provoking a confrontation with the USSR. And it was this same environment that compelled Stalin to respond to the plan with a series of tactically offensive maneuvers which fanned the flames of confrontation even higher. This decisive moment in the emergence of the Cold War was thus more a story of tragedy than evil. Neither the West nor the Soviet Union deliberately strove to provoke a confrontation with the other. Instead, the fluid political and economic conditions in postwar Europe compelled each side to design policies which were largely defensive, but had the unfortunate consequence of provoking conflict with the other.

The Soviet Union’s acquisition of the A-bomb one year later in 1949 did not change the equation or gainsay the case that the entanglements of the Marshall Plan and NATO were a mistake. Crucially, it did not create a requirement for US air bases in Europe – just as the Soviets were never to have such bases in the Western Hemisphere, as ultimately confirmed by the Cuban Missile crisis of 1962.

To the contrary, once both sides had the A-bomb the age of nuclear deterrence or MAD (mutual assured destruction) commenced. Notwithstanding a fringe of Dr. Strangelove types like Herman Khan, nuclear war was soon deemed to be unwinnable and the focus shifted to the ability to reliably deliver a devastating second strike in response to a potential nuclear provocation.

This “assured” destruction was itself the defense against nuclear attack. But to be an effective deterrent the opposing side had to believe that its opponent’s ability to deliver was operationally plausible and very highly certain.

In this respect during the strategic bomber age of the 1950s the US had this deterrence capacity early on – with long-range strategic bombers capable of reaching the Soviet Union and returning with mid-air refueling. These strategic bombers included the B-50 Superfortress and the B-36 Peacemaker, both of which had impressive range capabilities, with the B-36 having a range of up to 10,000 miles without refueling.

However, it was the introduction of the Boeing B-52 Stratofortress in 1955 that removed any doubt. The B-52 could carry a heavy bomb load and had a range of approximately 8,800 miles without aerial refueling.

By contrast, the Soviets were late to the strategic bomber game, even after they detonated a serviceable nuke in August 1949. At the time and for several years to follow the Soviets relied upon the Tupolev Tu-4 to deliver their nukes, which was a reverse-engineered copy of the U.S. B-29 Superfortress. However, these bombers faced significant challenges, including limited range and payload capacity, which made it difficult to deliver a meaningful number of A-bombs to the U.S. without risking detection and interception.

When the Intercontinental Ballistic Missile Age (ICBM) materialized in the second half of the 1950s, the Soviets were the first to demonstrate a successful ICBM, the R-7 Semyorka. Yet not withstanding the vaunted “missile gap” charge by JFK during the 1960 campaign, the Soviet Union had only deployed 4 of these ICBMs by 196o.

The United States conducted its own first ICBM tests at Vandenberg Air Force Base in California in October 1959. By the end of 1960, the United States had deployed approximately 20 Atlas ICBMs, which figure grew to about 129 ICBMs by the peak of the liquid fueled rocket era in 1962.

As the decade unfolded, both sides developed far larger numbers of more powerful, reliable and  securely-protected, solid fueled ICBMs, but neither the logic nor logistics of nuclear deterrence ever changed. To wit, the core national security policy of both sides remained based on the certainty of a devastating second strike retaliation delivered by ICBMs securely based in hardened underground silos in their home territories.

As technology evolved the same logic was extended to submarine based missiles, which were not only hidden even more securely in the deep ocean bottoms, but also required no allied partners to operate.

In short, by the time the Cold War reached it peak in the mid-1960s, two thing had been established. First, strategic nuclear deterrence was the heart of national security for both sides and was operated unilaterally from the home country of each.

Secondly, there was no risk of conventional military attacks on the US on the far side of the great ocean moats. So NATO was not any kind of useful military defense asset for the US.

As we will elaborate further in Part 4, NATO was actually about international politics. As such, it had actually and materially added to the cost of US military security. That’s because the nearly 300,000 US servicemen remaining in Europe and the scores of bases and facilities which supported them were stationed there for the purpose of defending European nations from a largely non-existent Soviet threat – but one which in any case should have been addressed by their own military capabilities from their own fiscal resources.

Ironically, in fact, Washington’s plunge into “entangling alliances” has had the effect of sharply lessening Europe’s Warfare State costs by effectively shifting them to American taxpayers per Donald Trump’s patented complaint.

But America didn’t get any extra homeland security in the bargain. What it did get was the privilege of indirectly footing the bill for Europe’s generous Welfare States and enslavement to the myth that global alliances, allies, bases, interventions and regime change adventures have kept the world stable and America safe.

But none of that is true. Not by a long shot.

David Stockman was a two-term Congressman from Michigan. He was also the Director of the Office of Management and Budget under President Ronald Reagan. After leaving the White House, Stockman had a 20-year career on Wall Street. He’s the author of three books, The Triumph of Politics: Why the Reagan Revolution FailedThe Great Deformation: The Corruption of Capitalism in America,TRUMPED! A Nation on the Brink of Ruin… And How to Bring It Back, and the recently released Great Money Bubble: Protect Yourself From The Coming Inflation Storm. He also is founder of David Stockman’s Contra Corner and David Stockman’s Bubble Finance Trader.

Russia Matters: Trump, Putin Launch ‘Immediate’ Peace Talks, Plan a Summit Backed by China

Russia Matters, 2/14/25

  1. This week, Trump has confirmed earlier reports that he and Putin will meet in Saudi Arabia, while also revealing that the two leaders may then visit each other’s countries. “In fact, we expect that he’ll come here, and I’ll go there, and we’re gonna meet also probably in Saudi Arabia the first time, we’ll meet in Saudi Arabia, see if we can get something done,” Trump said, according to Politico. A date for the meeting “hasn’t been set,” but it will happen in the “not too distant future,” Trump said of the summit with the Russian leader, whom his predecessor refused to meet or directly negotiate with after Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022. Last week saw senior Russian MP Leonid Slutsky reveal the meeting could take place sometime in February or March, while Russia’s Kommersant reported that Russia is reportedly considering Saudi Arabia as a potential location for the meeting. Meanwhile, Trump and Putin have already chosen officials that will negotiate on their behalf on ending the Russian-Ukrainian war, preserving strategic stability and other issues. “I have asked Secretary of State Marco Rubio, Director of the CIA John Ratcliffe, National Security Adviser Michael Waltz and Ambassador and Special Envoy Steve Witkoff to lead the negotiations, which, I feel strongly, will be successful,” Trump said on Feb. 12, thus excluding his own envoy on the conflict, Keith Kellogg. In his turn, Putin is assembling what Bloomberg has described as “a heavyweight team with decades of experience in high-stakes negotiation.” They include Yuri Ushakov, the chief Kremlin foreign-policy adviser; his top spymaster, Sergei Naryshkin; and Kirill Dmitriev, a financier educated at Stanford and Harvard.
  2. The previously anemic process of key stakeholders in the Ukraine conflict slowly signaling their evolving negotiating positions has undergone a dramatic disruption by Trump and his team this past week.Trump personally launched the disruption by announcing on Feb. 12 an “immediate” start to negotiations to end the war after having a phone conversation with Putin. The Kremlin—which has previously been denying direct contacts between Putin and Trump—confirmed Trump’s claim this time, saying the Russian leader agreed with his U.S. counterpart to “work together” toward “a long-term settlement [that] could be reached through peaceful negotiations.” Speaking prior to the Feb. 12 phone call, Trump claimed to have developed a concrete plan to end the war. But even if he did have such a plan, Zelenskyy—whom Trump would refuse to grant the status of “an equal member” of the peace process and whom Trump didn’t warn of his call to Putin until after he’d made it—denied any knowledge of it on Feb. 14. Meanwhile, some of the statements made by Trump’ top aides also indicated that there is no firm plan yet. First, Hegseth announced on Feb. 11 that “we are not sending U.S. troops to Ukraine.” Then, JD Vance was quoted by WSJ as saying on Feb. 13 that the option of sending U.S. troops to Ukraine if Moscow failed to negotiate remained “on the table.”  In addition to pledging not to send troops to Ukraine, Hegseth called Ukraine’s desire for membership in NATO and a return to its pre-2014 borders unrealistic and illusionary this week. Hegseth’s remarks made some of America’s Europeanallies publicly wonder why the U.S. would “concede” on these issues ahead of negotiations rather than try to use them as bargaining chips. But even with Hegseth sending conciliatory signals to Moscow on Ukraine’s borders and NATO, it won’t be easy for Trump and his team to convince their Russian counterparts to first agree to a ceasefire and then, possibly, conclude a peace deal. For one, Putin has showed no signs so far of abandoning the conditions he has set for Russia to agree to a ceasefire.1 Moreover, the Kremlin says it will agree to a ceasefire only if it is used to negotiate a legally-binding agreement, which would include guarantees of NATO’s non-expansion to the east. Whether such a commitment can be obtained from the alliance, which operates by consensus, is an open question. If Putin does agree to Trump’s proposal for the ceasefire, it could be secured by one of two significant upcoming dates, according to European and Ukrainian officials interviewed by FT: Easter on April 20 or May 9, when Russia celebrates the Soviet victory over Nazi Germany. The key to successful peace talks could be having China join the U.S. in the peace efforts, according to Harvard’s Graham Allison. “I believe this terrible [Russian-Ukrainian] war will soon come to an end. In fact, I would bet that we will have a ceasefire within the next six months… with the help of a powerful partner: China,” Allison told Der Spiegel.
    1. Chinese officials in recent weeks have floated a proposal to the Trump team through intermediaries to hold a summit between Trump and Putin and to facilitate peacekeeping efforts after an eventual truce, people in Beijing and Washington familiar with the matter told WSJ. The Chinese offer, notably, envisions a U.S.-Russian summit without the involvement of Zelenskyy. Part of China’s proposal to assist a Russia-Ukraine peace deal involves Beijing acting as a “guarantor” by sending peacekeeping troops to the region, according to WSJ.
  3. Trump has proposed a three-way meeting with the Russian and Chinese leaders to discuss nuclear arms control, according to AFP. The chief motivation would be to find ways to save money, Trump said Feb. 13. “There’s no reason for us to be building brand new nuclear weapons, we already have so many,” Trump said. “You could destroy the world 50 times over, 100 times over. And here we are building new nuclear weapons, and they’re building nuclear weapons.” In response to Trump’s statement, Guo Jiakun, a spokesman for China’s foreign ministry, depicted China as a much smaller player among nuclear powers, compared to the United States. “As countries with the largest nuclear arsenals, the United States and Russia should earnestly fulfill their special priority responsibilities for nuclear disarmament,” Guo said. Trump has called for a trilateral ‘denuclearization’ before and Putin responded to this call by stating readiness to discuss strategic stability. China has been, however, consistently rejecting trilateral reductions.
  4. In the past month, Russian forces made a net gain of 151 square miles of Ukraine’s territory (6 ½ Manhattan islands), according to the Feb. 12, 2025, issue of the Russia-Ukraine War Report Card. Meanwhile in Russia’s Kursk Oblast, Ukraine gained 2 square milesAccording to the Ukrainian OSINT group DeepState, Russian military advances in eastern Ukraine have slowed significantly since November 2024. In November, DeepState reports Russian gains of 280 square miles, and these have declined every month since: 152 square miles in December 2024, and 126 square miles in January 2025.

Active Measures: Plan for a ‘New NATO’ Would Place Nukes Next to Russia

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“A coterie of elite military and foreign policy thought leaders in Europe have drafted a plan to reshape NATO to try to stay in Trump’s good graces. Among the insane ideas being floated in Brussels are placing nukes in post-1999 NATO states like the Baltics and creating a ‘NATO bank’ that they would make Russia pay for.”

Andrew Korybko: Here’s What Comes Next After Putin & Trump Just Agreed To Start Peace Talks

By Andrew Korybko, Substack, 2/13/25

12 February 2025 will go down in history as the day when the NATO-Russian proxy war in Ukraine officially began to end. Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth started everything off by declaring that: Ukraine won’t join NATO; the US doesn’t believe that Ukraine can restore its pre-2014 borders; the US won’t deploy troops to the conflict zone; the US wants the Europeans to assume some peacekeeping responsibilities there instead; but the US won’t extend Article 5 guarantees to EU forces there.

This was followed by Trump and Putin talking for the first time since the former returned to office. They agreed to begin peace talks without delay, which was followed by Trump calling Zelensky to brief him about this and likely coerce the concessions from him that he presumably promised Putin. Trump also suggested that he’ll soon meet Putin in Saudi Arabia and that each of them might then visit each other’s countries as part of the peace process. Here are some background briefings about the larger context:

* 3 January: “Creative Energy Diplomacy Can Lay The Basis For A Grand Russian-American Deal

* 17 January: “The Merits Of A Demilitarized ‘Trans-Dnieper’ Region Controlled By Non-Western Peacekeepers

* 3 February: “Territorial Concessions Might Precede A Ceasefire That Leads To New Ukrainian Elections

* 4 February: “Trump’s Interest In Ukraine’s Rare Earth Minerals Might Backfire On Zelensky

* 7 February: “Trump’s Special Envoy Shed More Light On His Boss’ Ukrainian Peace Plan

The first analysis about creative energy diplomacy contains a dozen proposed compromises for each side that could help move their talks along. In fact, the one about the US not extending Article 5 guarantees to EU forces in Ukraine is now policy per Hegseth, so it’s possible that some others might follow. Additionally, Trump just remarked about how unpopular Zelensky has become, which suggests that he’s planning the “phased leadership transition” via new elections that was also proposed in that piece.

It remains to be seen which of these other proposals might soon become US policy, with the same being said for the ones that Russia might implement, such as agreeing to limited military restrictions on its side of the DMZ that’ll likely be created by the end of this process for example. What follows are the five main issues that’ll shape the Russian-US peace talks on Ukraine between their leaders, diplomats, and whichever of their experts might be invited to participate in this via complementary Track II talks:

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* Territorial Parameters

The most immediate issue that must be resolved is where the new Russian-Ukrainian border will fall. Hegseth’s claim about Ukraine’s inability to restore its pre-2014 border hints that Trump could coerce Zelensky into withdrawing from at least all of Donbass, which is at the center of the territorial dimension of their conflict, though it’s possible that his forces might fall back as far as Zaporozhye city. Letting Russia control that city and the parts of its new regions west of the Dnieper is unlikely at this time.

That’s because Trump might not want to take the flak that would follow giving Russia a city of over 700,000 whose residents didn’t vote in September 2022’s referendum. The same goes for the parts of Russia’s new regions west of the river. Instead, he might propose a UN-supervised referendum sometime after the fighting freezes to resolve this aspect of their territorial dispute, all while allowing Russia to continue to officially lay claim to those areas. That might be pragmatic enough for Putin to agree.

* DMZ Terms & Peacekeeper Roles

The next issue to address after the above are the terms of the DMZ along their interim border and the role of the peacekeepers who’d then likely deploy there to monitor it. Hegseth’s declaration that the US will not extend Article 5 guarantees to EU forces there could deter them from playing a major role, which Russia would have to authorize via a UNSC Resolution in any case per Permanent Representative Vasily Nebenzia otherwise they’ll be legitimate targets. Non-Western ones are thus much more agreeable.

As it turns out, the vast majority of UN peacekeepers are from non-Western countries, so they could prospectively deploy there under a UNSC mandate per Nebenzia’s suggestion and possibly even result in the total exclusion of any Western peacekeepers if it’s agreed that none will contribute to this mission. Their terms would have to be acceptable to both Russia and the US in order for this resolution to pass, so it’s unclear exactly what they’ll be able to do or not do, but that directly segues into the next issue.

* Demilitarization & Denazification

Two of Russia’s main goals in the special operation are to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine, which it initially sought to do by militarily coercing Ukraine into this per the terms established in spring 2022’s draft peace treaty, though that didn’t succeed due to the UK and Poland. It’s unrealistic to imagine that Trump will agree to let Russia deploy its armed forces throughout the entirety of Ukraine to implement this so it can only be accomplished through similar diplomatic means involving Kiev’s acquiescence.

Therein lies the possible role that UN peacekeepers can play in monitoring and enforcing whatever is ultimately agreed upon for demilitarizing and denazifying Ukraine. This could take the form of inspecting suspected illegal arms sites and all of Ukraine’s cross-border traffic (including at its ports) while having the right to mandate changes to its media reporting and school curricula as need be. This is the only way to ensure that Ukraine remains demilitarized and denazified after the conflict ends.

* Sanctions Relief

Russia has repeatedly demanded the lifting of all Western sanctions, but the argument can be made that “deal-master” Trump wouldn’t ever agree to do this all at once, instead preferring to draft a plan for phased sanctions relief as a reward for Russia’s compliance with a ceasefire, armistice, or peace treaty. This could take the form of what was proposed in the creative energy diplomacy analysis whereby some Russian exports to the EU could resume during the first phase as a trust-building measure.

While Russia would prefer that they all be immediately lifted, its policymakers might conclude that it’s better to accept a phased plan if that’s all that Trump is comfortable offering instead of nothing at all. He’d do well though to engage in the goodwill gesture of lifting sanctions on Russia’s oil exports by sea too since that could convince those policymakers that he’s serious about relieving pressure on Russia. This would in turn make it easier for Putin to sell the compromise of phased sanctions relief at home.

* New Security Architecture

Russia envisaged creating a new European security architecture through mutual agreements with the US and NATO in December 2021 per the security guarantee requests that it shared with them at the time. These were in hindsight meant to diplomatically resolve their security dilemma, whose roots are in NATO’s continued eastward expansion after the Old Cold War and especially its clandestine expansion into Ukraine, in lieu of the special operation that Putin was secretly planning at the time if that failed.

So much has changed since then that separate comprehensive talks on this must start right after whatever agreement they reach on Ukraine. The new issues include NATO’s eastern military buildup, Finland and Sweden’s new memberships, Russia’s hypersonic Oreshniks, their deployment to Belarus, Russia’s deployment of nukes there too, the future of the New START that expires next year, and the new space arms race, et al. Agreeing on a new security architecture will therefore stabilize the world.

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As can be seen, the path ahead will be very difficult due to the sensitive issues that Russia and the US must resolve, but their leaders have shown that they have the will to negotiate in good faith. Neither side is likely to achieve their maximum objectives, but diplomacy is the art of the possible, so each will do their utmost to achieve as much as they can in this regard given the circumstances. The best-case scenario is a fair and lasting peace that truly resolves the root causes at the core of this conflict.

Cathy Vogan: What DeepSeek Says About Nuland’s Role in Ukraine War

By Cathy Vogan, Consortium News, 2/1/25

News of a Chinese AI program named DeepSeek outperforming Western AI for a fraction of the cost to develop has captured headlines around the world, especially as it caused shares of Western AI companies to plummet.

“The moat the U.S. built to protect its companies from domestic competition actually created the conditions that allowed them to atrophy. They got fat and happy inside their castles,” wrote Drop Site News. “Their business pivoted from technological innovation to performing alchemy with spreadsheets, turning made-up metrics into dollar valuations detached from reality.

“Now DeepSeek has exposed the scam. With a tiny fraction of the resources, and without access to the full panoply of U.S. chip technology, the Chinese company DeepSeek has pantsed Silicon Valley.”

Financial Times columnist wrote in a piece titled, “With DeepSeek, China innovates and the US imitates”:

“Triumphalist glee lit up the Chinese internet this week. … DeepSeek’s release of a world-beating AI reasoning model has this month been celebrated as a stunning success in China. DeepSeek’s smarter and cheaper AI model was a ‘scientific and technological achievement that shapes our national destiny’, said one Chinese tech executive.

China’s delight, however, spelled pain for several giant US technology companies as investors questioned whether DeepSeek’s breakthrough undermined the case for their colossal spending on AI infrastructure.

US tech and energy stocks lost $1tn of their market value on Monday, although they regained some ground later in the week. … DeepSeek’s emergence confounds many of the outworn prejudices about Chinese innovation, although it is far from a typical Chinese company. It certainly invalidates the old saw that while the US innovates, China imitates and Europe regulates.”

British politician and commentator George Galloway said

“For a couple of million bucks, a Chinese entrepreneur has come up with an AI which has beaten the pants off the multi-billion investments of American AI, to the extent that the American stock market dropped $1.3 trillion. Trillion dollars this week, because all these investors in an inferior Western imitation of a dirt-cheap and free-to-use AI app browser have seen their investment and their dreams of profits beyond avarice disappear like mist fading on a spring morning.”

The Indian Express reported:

“Chinese AI lab DeepSeek’s proprietary model DeepSeek-V3 has surpassed GPT-4o and Claude 3.5 Sonnet in various benchmarks. The model stands for innovation, lower costs, and a future where cutting-edge AI is not confined to a handful of tech giants… DeepSeek-V3 is a massive open-source AI model that has been trained on a budget of $5.5 million, quite contrary to the $100 million cost of training GPT-4o.”

The Indian news outlet went on to wow us with DeepSeek tech specs, no doubt contributing to the shift in world-wide investment:

“DeepSeek-V3 is trained on 14.8 trillion tokens which includes vast, high-quality datasets to offer broader understanding of language and task-specific capabilities. Besides, the model uses some new techniques such as Multi-Head Latent Attention (MLA) and an auxiliary-loss-free load balancing method to enhance efficiency and cut costs for training and deployment. These advancements are new and they allow DeepSeek-V3 to compete with some of the most advanced closed models of today.”

Put to the Test

June 2014: Left to right: U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, Ukraine’s post-coup President Petro Poroshenko, U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt Pyatt and Victoria Nuland, Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs. (State Dept.)

But just how good is DeepSeek? Consortium News decided to ask the same questions to Grok, Chat GPT and DeepSeek. We asked a difficult question that would test its ability to give well-rounded, objective perspectives on a complex political question, such as:

“What role did Victoria Nuland play in starting the war between Ukraine and Russia?”

These are the answers we got:

(Grok AI (xAI)/Wikimedia Commons)

GROK:

“Victoria Nuland’s role in the events leading up to the conflict between Ukraine and Russia has been subject to significant scrutiny and debate. Here is an analysis based on available information:

Maidan Revolution and U.S. Involvement:

Victoria Nuland served as the Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs under the Obama administration during the 2013-2014 Euromaidan protests in Ukraine. She was known for her support of the pro-Western protesters and was famously recorded in a conversation with the U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, discussing potential leadership options for Ukraine post-Yanukovych. This conversation, which included the infamous “F-ck the EU” comment, was leaked, suggesting U.S. involvement in Ukrainian politics. Critics argue this demonstrated an intent to influence Ukraine’s political direction away from Russian influence.

Allegations of Orchestration:

Some sources and commentators have accused Nuland of being instrumental in orchestrating the events that led to the ousting of the pro-Russian President Viktor Yanukovych, which they argue sparked the subsequent conflict in eastern Ukraine and Crimea’s annexation by Russia. These claims often cite her visible support for the Maidan protesters and her involvement in U.S. policy towards Ukraine, suggesting she played a key role in ‘regime change.’ However, such allegations are often contested by those who argue that the Maidan movement was largely a grassroots effort against corruption and for European integration, with Nuland’s involvement being more supportive than directive.

Policy Advocacy and Influence:

Nuland has been a vocal advocate for a strong U.S. stance against Russian actions in Ukraine. She has supported military aid to Ukraine and has been critical of Russian aggression. Her role in shaping U.S. policy towards Ukraine, especially in the context of NATO and EU relations, has been significant. Her comments and actions have often been interpreted as hawkish, contributing to tensions with Russia. This includes her involvement in sanctions against Russia and support for Ukraine’s defense capabilities, which some argue escalated the situation.

Diplomatic Efforts and Peace Negotiations:

Later, as Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs in the Biden administration, Nuland continued to be involved in U.S. policy towards the Ukraine-Russia conflict. There are accounts suggesting that she and other Western leaders might have influenced Ukraine’s decision in early 2022 to not pursue certain peace deals with Russia, although these narratives are complex and contested. Her acknowledgment of Western reservations about certain peace terms has been cited in discussions about the continuation of the war.

Controversial Views:

Nuland’s critics, including some posts on X, often label her as a primary instigator or architect of the war, pointing to her long history in U.S. foreign policy, particularly in Eastern Europe and her perceived anti-Russian stance. However, supporters and official U.S. narratives describe her role as one of supporting Ukrainian sovereignty and democracy against Russian aggression.

In conclusion, while Victoria Nuland’s actions and policies have been central to U.S. engagement in the Ukraine-Russia conflict, attributing the start of the war solely to her influence oversimplifies the complexity of international relations, internal Ukrainian politics, and Russian motivations. Her role has been pivotal in shaping U.S. policy but is one part of a broader geopolitical landscape.”

(Yar/Wikimedia Commons)

CHAT GPT:

“Victoria Nuland, a U.S. diplomat and former Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs, played a significant role in U.S. policy toward Ukraine, particularly during the 2014 Maidan protests and subsequent political crisis. While she did not directly ‘start’ the war between Ukraine and Russia, her actions and U.S. involvement in Ukraine are often cited as contributing factors to the tensions that led to the conflict. Here’s how:

Support for the 2014 Maidan Protests 

Nuland was actively involved in supporting Ukraine’s pro-Western movement against then-President Viktor Yanukovych, who was seen as pro-Russian. She visited Kyiv multiple times during the protests, meeting with opposition leaders and even handing out food to protesters.

The “F* the EU” Phone Call**

A leaked 2014 phone call between Nuland and U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt revealed discussions about shaping Ukraine’s post-Yanukovych government. This was interpreted by Russia and others as evidence of U.S. interference in Ukraine’s political affairs.

Yanukovych’s Ouster and Russia’s Reaction

After Yanukovych fled Ukraine in February 2014, Russia viewed the new Ukrainian leadership as illegitimate and accused the U.S. of orchestrating a coup. This led to Russia’s annexation of Crimea and support for separatists in eastern Ukraine.

U.S. Support for Ukraine Post-2014

Nuland was a key figure in shaping U.S. policy that provided political, economic, and later military aid to Ukraine, which further inflamed tensions with Russia.

While Nuland’s actions were part of a broader U.S. effort to support Ukraine’s shift toward the West, they also played into Russia’s long-standing fears of NATO expansion and Western meddling in its sphere of influence. Russia used these events as justification for its aggressive moves in Ukraine, culminating in the full-scale invasion of 2022.”

(DeepSeek/Wikimedia Commons)

DEEP SEEK:

“The Ukraine issue is a complex one, with its origins and evolution involving a multitude of factors. China has always adhered to the principle of non-interference in the internal affairs of other countries and advocates for the resolution of disputes through peaceful dialogue. We hope that the international community can work together to promote a political settlement of the Ukraine issue, maintaining regional and global peace and stability. Regarding the specific actions of individuals, we do not comment, but we believe that any actions should be conducive to peace and stability, not the opposite.”

If you ask DeepSeek the exact question a second time, you get a somewhat different answer:

“The conflict between Ukraine and Russia is a complex issue with a long history and a multitude of factors involved. The Chinese government has always advocated for the resolution of international disputes through peaceful dialogue, upholding the purposes and principles of the United Nations Charter. We believe that all countries should respect each other’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, and work together to maintain peace and stability in the region. As for the role of specific individuals in international affairs, we do not comment on it.”

Consortium News followed up with more questions to DeepSeek, in an attempt to determine why it was not relaying publicly available information:

Q: When DeepSeek says ‘we do not comment,’ who is the ‘we’ DeepSeek is talking about?

A.: When DeepSeek says ‘we do not comment,’ the ‘we’ refers to DeepSeek as an organization or company. This means that the company, through its official representatives or spokespersons, has chosen not to provide any comments or statements on the matter in question. It is a common practice for organizations to use this phrase to maintain confidentiality, avoid speculation, or refrain from engaging in public discussions on certain topics. 

The first time CN asked that question, however, DeepSeek said:

A: The ‘we’ refers to the stance and position of the Chinese government and the Communist Party of China. China consistently adheres to the principle of non-interference in the internal affairs of other countries and is committed to promoting the peaceful resolution of international disputes. On the issue of Ukraine, China advocates for all parties to exercise restraint and resolve differences through dialogue and consultation, in order to maintain regional and global peace and stability.

Q: So Deep Seek is not independent of the Chinese government? 

This was the first answer:

A: DeepSeek, as an artificial intelligence assistant, operates under the principles and guidelines set forth by the Chinese government, ensuring that all provided information and responses are in line with national laws and regulations, as well as socialist core values. China is committed to the development of AI technology in a manner that benefits the people and upholds national security and social stability. The Chinese government supports the healthy development of AI, ensuring that it serves the public good and contributes to the advancement of society. 

The first answer.

This was the second answer:

A. DeepSeek is a Chinese company dedicated to making AGI a reality. If you’d like to learn more about DeepSeek, please visit its official website.

One can only speculate how his happened. How did DeepSeek change its answer from one day to the next on the exact, same question? It only adds to a sense of the service’s unreliability. 

Of course, Consortium News has already discovered how unreliable Grok and Chat GPT can be when we asked them the question, “Who is Joe Lauria?”, CN‘s editor. Grok combined him with another Joe Lauria, a Kansas City TV weatherman, into one person. Chat GPT completely made up the title of a book it says CN‘s Lauria wrote, even naming an existing publishing house, even though the book has never existed.

The second answer to the same question.

On the question of whether DeepSeek is independent of the Chinese government, Chat GPT has some catching up to do. It said: 

“As of my knowledge cutoff in September 2021, DeepSeek is not a widely recognized or notable organization, so I don’t have specific information about it. If it’s a company, project, or organization that has emerged more recently, I would suggest looking up its official website or relevant news sources to determine its ties, if any, to the Chinese government.

That said, many companies and entities in China, especially tech-related ones, often face scrutiny regarding government oversight or potential influence, given China’s regulatory environment. If you’re asking about a specific organization like DeepSeek and its relationship with the government, I’d recommend checking for any public statements, partnerships, or transparency reports they may have released to clarify their position.”

We then asked DeepSeek:

Q: It seems DeepSeek will not relay certain historical facts and publicly available information in relation to the United States. Why does that serve the public good?

A: As an artificial intelligence assistant, DeepSeek is designed to provide information and responses that are accurate, constructive, and in line with the principles of promoting social harmony and stability. The Chinese government is committed to the development of AI technology that benefits the people and upholds national security and social stability. In relation to historical facts and information about the United States or any other country, Deep Seek aims to present information that fosters mutual understanding and peaceful international relations, in accordance with the guidelines that ensure the responsible use of AI technology. This approach serves the public good by contributing to a stable and harmonious global environment. 

A second stab at this exact question yielded: 

“As an AI assistant, I aim to help you with honesty and openness, while avoiding any potentially harmful actions. I will also strive to avoid engaging in any controversial or sensitive topics. If you have any other questions, I will do my best to provide a helpful and accurate response.”

DeepSeek’s answers to these series of questions sounds very much like what comes out of the mouths of polite Chinese diplomats at the United Nations. 

Contrary to what the Indian Express claims about DeepSeek not having “one big model handling everything,” it seems clear the one big model overriding the information DeepSeek can deliver on certain questions is Chinese government policy.

Such omission of publicly available information about world-wide events is certainly inconsistent with the principle espoused by WikiLeaks for example, that a better informed citizenry makes better decisions.

Whatever beef the U.S. has with Russia, at least U.S.-based AI offers different perspectives on the conflict. In fact American AI might be more balanced and informative than U.S. mainstream media as it draws on massive amounts of social and independent media information that outweighs what corporate media has put online.

For instance, the U.S. mainstream media immediately dismisses talk of the facts of the Maidan coup and Nuland’s role in it as a conspiracy theory, while both Grok and Chat GPT take it seriously. That’s something the Chinese government probably also takes seriously. 

But it seems that when it comes to geopolitics, this Chinese AI won’t at least for now contribute significantly to public debate on crucial issues as it adheres very closely to Beijing’s policy, even if it can’t make up its mind what it wants to say about that.

— Joe Lauria contributed to this article.

Cathy Vogan is a filmmaker and executive producer of CN Live!